Occasionally, I find it befitting to post on my blog comments and things I encounter in other social media in this case some exchanges I had with one or two usual anti-Railaists who I refer to as Neter I and Netter II:
Kieleweke were chased from State house the other day, Uhuru is slowly but surely regaining his senses, now he should focus on the economy
we know raila wanted a referendum to put this country into an election mood not caring how dead the economy is, ameshindwa, soon he will reject the BBI, anyone willing to bet?
Yours can only be termed as wishful thinking. Kieleweke is as solid as never before and Uhuru is as determined as never before to make sure the handshake is firm and implemented as proposed in BBI. Yes, the very document entrenching the interests of “dynasties” who many of you have been telling us “must fall.”
They’re not only NOT falling, BBI ensures they’ll never fall and none other than Ruto wants counted in and thus the reason he’s mum about BBI doing only what Uhuru and Raila tell him to do lest he’s NOT welcome to the “dynasties” club.
If you didn’t know Kenya ina wenyewe, now you know. I read a very poignant tweet from someone saying Kenyans are so gullible and even stupid they blindly cheer on politicians who only know one thing, taking care of their own interests everyone else be damned yet these very shafted voters throng fields, stadiums and even Bomas to cheer these same people who don’t care much about them.
I see that here and elsewhere which is sad.
Kenya will be a better country when people stop seeing things only from their tribal cocoons or become open minded to know what’s good for the country and not what is good or bad for some real or perceived enemies, which is a very backward phenomenon.
Netter II: BBI was a waste of money. Uhuru aimed at taming Raila/ODM. Now his ninis are barking loud and clear against BBI. They are crying foul because they wanted a parliamentary system which would favor Agwambo. Now there is no Tsunami but war cries. Soon you will see war cries even on this forum.
If I were you, I would not chest-thump that Raila did not get what he wanted in BBI. We are only at the opening to the public debate stage. Next, referendum question or questions will be drafted to mould the final question or questions in a manner to fully implement the handshake.
I am on record saying I don’t believe a pure parliamentary system can work in Kenya but I am also here to tell you what emerges out of the referendum will NOT be the SAME thing proposed in BBI. I can tell you but won’t why these steps are being taken like this.
Bottom line, speaking for myself, I am very pleased and appreciate Uhuru’s effort to make sure the vision in his handshake with Raila is fully implemented and with BBI out, we’re one step closer to that eventuality.
It will be better to wait and see what will befall ODM. It is standing on wishful thinking that Uhuru will abandon Ruto, get Mt. Kenya support Raila and so wins. If Uhuru is capable of doing that the way Rao can do to votes in his backyard, Raila can win. But dont know where they get the impression that Uhuru will be campaigning for Agwambo or that Mt. Kenya will listen to Uhuru and follow him where he wants to take them.
I am happy to see you accept BBI report and avoid exhibiting anger and despondent the way Senator Olekina and Atwoli have done. I also support BBI 100%. Let us see if ODM will embrace is 100%. That is their baby.
Your problem is you believe Central is Kenya.
It is NOT.
Raila has won the presidency at least twice without Central support.
He’ll win in a landslide in 2022 with Uhuru and other key Central support.
Btw, and for the record, in 2022, I’ll be supporting whoever the system supports and right now I have good reasons to believe that will be Raila–but also know if for some reason it’s not, he’ll be fully accommodated in the new structure and that was one of my points in my last weekend’s column.
In other words, the dynasties will continue to dominate Kenyan politics and none other than one William Ruto is banging hard on the door to be let in but, unfortunately for him, he can only be let in to eat crumps by the dining table where the main feasting is about to take place.
Or put another way, your man Ruto will not see the inside of State House as president not because I wish or say so, but because the system says so and this I confirmed during my recent visit, not that it’s a secret.
Good to see all of you are focused on the shiny object here (BBI) when those who will decide your president and the future of the country are laughing over drinks, tossing to the malleability of the ever so gullible Kenyan voter, educated or not. Maajabu kweli.
I am “chest thumping” over what they proposed. If they change to something deviating from this document, believe me I will oppose it with my heart. What you can take from me is that whatever Nyongo and for that matter ODM ODM wanted would have seen even Uhuru object to the document.
I 0nly see ODM supporters cry. We are happy with what we are saying. Please allow us us to cheat thump and celebrate for a job well done by BBI.
Any reason ODM refused to speak on the floor in Bomas but now find it objectionable?
I have an answer. They wanted BBI team to craft a document favorable to Raila. Now that didnt happen, they know that winning the presidency will be one hell of difficult task. They would not be crying now because what they wanted is not what Kenyans wanted.
Raila will lose and violence will recur. BBI didnt address that. Atwoli and co think violence would have been curtailed if Raila got a powerful PM posts and several seats for his cronies. So problem is Raila not the constitution.
Your say, “They wanted BBI team to craft a document favorable to Raila.”
Your obsession as well as others obsession with Raila is unhealthy pls rid yourself of same.
Neither the handshake or BBI is about Raila. I doubt you’ve read it and if that’s the case, pls Google and read the communique conveying the BBI mandate as well as the Gazette notice putting the idea in motion and you’ll understand what BBI is designed to do as it shall.
You and others we know are caught in this “oh it’s about getting Raila to power through the backdoor” as if the man is not capable of getting the presidency through the front door as he has done at least twice–and something we know your’e in TOTAL denial.
Fortunately, some of the key people starting from Uhuru himself who know what happened have changed tune leaving the rest of you still in lalaland believing “Raila will Never be president” which is also a very unhealthy obsession.
Notice when I say Ruto ain’t seeing the inside of State House as president I am only conveying what I know to be the reality from information that’s both public and private.
I have nothing against Ruto’s ambitions to become president and if he beats the system and Raila to win the presidency, I’ll be the first one to congratulate him and offer my help and you’ll see me at State House with a delegation from the US and EU to personally congratulate him and map the way forward for the country with the help of our friends.
I’ll do the same thing for Raila or WHOEVER wins and is sworn as our next president.
So, you ans others can obsess about BBI being about Raila, the rest of us are more focused on what matters to effectuate the handshake and its principals’ vision for a new Kenya.
That’s all that matters and we’re on track to see the fruits from these efforts which only just began with the official launch of BBI.
If it is not for Raila, why are you and others refusing to embrace the BBI report? I only see anger from you and other ODMERS because BBI rejected to propose the system which would have favored Rao.
Let us think of Kenya as a country and remove individuals from it. If Raila wins in 22, I will support 100%. Will you support Ruto if he wins? This is what we want Raila to do. Accept defeat and retire with benefit. I will support his retirement with full benefit.
You know this but let me say it for the sake of clarity: Never lump me with anyone else when engaging with me. I am my own man. The views I share are mine and need not check or have them comply with anyone else.
Unless your’e hard of hearing, I have said repeatedly I couldn’t care less as to what government system is in place at any given time; in fact, I was quite happy and perfectly willing to maintain the post independence imperial presidency if only we had a human being with compassion for the poor and the masses holding the office.
This debate about parliamentary vz presidential system is nothing but a tribalism and emotionally driven debate which I and others who are not tribal despise and wouldn’t engage in. For progressives like me, all we ever want and ask for is a government that is transparent, accountable and responsive to the common mwanainchi’s needs and one that creates a conducive climate for peace and economic prosperity.
So, NO I am NOT and CANNOT be angry over a document that has NOT even become law; indeed, were it to be passed verbatim on the governance provisions, I’ll be ALL for it and work within the system to do what I know needs and must be done to make this a better Kenya.
All this other nonsense about whether Raila or Ruto is president is a sideshow. Yes, I have repeatedly made the case Raila has been and continues to be a bonafide leader who has won the presidency at least twice and deserves to serve as our president upon yet again winning the presidency, which he can.
But that by no means elevate Raila above country; no one is or should be as clearly many of you make him be the everything: country be dammed as long as Raila is not president which is bizarre to say the least.
If Ruto beats Raila fair and squire, fine; he would have faught a good fight and am sure Raila will concede defeat. If Ruto wins by yet again the system rigging out Raila, that’ll be your country, not ours and it won’t be one anyone would want to live in or visit.
Fortunately, and as much you may prefer that type of environment, the rest of us are saying let’s fix the system so can have normal elections every 5 years or 7 years as the case maybe without violence, bloodshed, destruction of property and deaths.
We’re also in the super majority those who hold this view and we shall prevail over the rest who are clinging to the past where inclusiveness, transparency and openness in elections or even peace are irrelevant and undesirable as long as Raila is not in office as president.
Very backward if you ask me but, again, a view held by a dwindling number which shall soon be rendered completely irrelevant.