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The Toning Down Of Dangerourous Rhetoric in Uhuru Kenyatta and William Ruto’s So Called ‘Peace/Prayer Rallies’ Is Commendable

Retired veteran journalist and fellow blogger, Mohammed Warsama, reports the following from Tononoka Grounds, Mombasa where Uhuru Kenyatta and William Ruto held their so called “peace/prayer” rallies today:

My comments follow the reporting.

William Ruto:

`I have been to Tononoka grounds many times before, but I have never seen such a huge turn-out as I am seeing now. I take off my hat in salute to the People of Mombasa.
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You have been accustomed to politics based on lies for so long. But this will now change.
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THE HAGUE: I believe this ordeal will terminate. I thank you for your prayers. But there are others who are overjoyed at our plight. These are people who are unused to democratic competition.
They do not accept defeat. They should believe in free and fair competition. Let them not look for a short cut called by them Tosha. There must be a competition of ideas at the ballot box.
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This is a nation of hustlers. Time has come when we should have a positive food production programme. We need this programme so that Kenyans will not sleep in hunger.There are 5m Kenyans now sleeping in hunger.
As a former Agriculture Minister, I know what I am talking about. It is the biggest shame that long after our Uhuru, there are many Kenyans still suffering in hunger.
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Youth unemployment is a big problem. Let us have a concrete plan to harness the talent and energy of our youth. We can truly transform this country. Youth must be given a chance to make the fullest contribution.
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It is no longer possible kuwa na Kenya ya wachache wanaojivuna na wengi wanaovumilia (Kenya of a few arrogant and many persevering).
In the new dispensation, we will have new programmes and a people with one sense of direction without regard to religion or tribe. We are not having a game of playing cards here. We have resolved to have one united  Kenya.
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Mombasa is a tourist town with only 1m people coming to Kenya annually. But Japan has 50m – France 86m – Malaysia 25m.
If we can boost our tourism figures to 2-3m all these unemployed youth will get jobs.
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We shall build a Kenya with the family as the core foundation unit.
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As for those who are drug peddlers, we tell them their days are numbered. They should not look for leadership of anything. We want leaders who  talk and act. Lastly, let us walk together in cooperation.
Uhuru Kenyatta:
In 2002, when I lost to Kibaki, I gracefully accepted defeat and said so before all Kenyans. Was there any violence that year ?
Crowd roars: Noooo !
UHURU: In 2010 we had the Yes, No referendum on Katiba. Ruto campaigned for a No vote but lost to the Yes bloc. Ruto accepted defeat. Was there any violence that year ?
Crowd roars: Noooo !
UHURU: In 2007 Elections I did not seek the Presidency, but fought for my Gatundu seat, and Ruto also did not seek the presidency but fought for his Eldoret seat. But there was violence and those who were not its cause are in the fire today because of it.
I believe we shall win our case.
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Now they are saying I and Ruto should not be allowed to stand. I believe in democracy and I respect the wishes of the people. Do you agree with those who say we should not stand ?
Crowd roars: Noooo !
UHURU: Ultimately, it is the 40m people of Kenya  who must decide it.  (AS Uhuru spoke, some in the crowd waved placards that said LET THE PEOPLE DECIDE).
UHURU continuing: But they are still not satisfied and have now gone to court. Now even the big powers have stepped in and started saying Kenya’s reputation would be at stake if Uhuru and Ruto are allowed to stand.  Is the ballot box in Kenya or in London ? How can we be leaders of disunity when we are simply saying wananchi wachague? Kenya is free. Let them govern their countries and leave us alone to manage our affairs.
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The next government will not be a one-man show but will incorporate all the 42 communities in Kenya.  It will be based on consensus and devolution of power.
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We no longer want elections based tribally. We want a government of all the people and not a one-man show.
From today, the writing is on the wall: the wananchi must be given their rights,  they dont want the politics of finishing each other.
The message from Tononoka today to Kenya is that Kenyans are united and are for an all-inclusive government.
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Those who pretend a belief in democracy asked Kibaki in Kisumu to say Tosha Raila. This is dictatorship. (Ironically, the Wiper Party needs to hurriedly discard its Kalonzo Tosha t-shirts worn at the rally today, to reflect this new thinking).
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My vote in ODM was stolen, so I left the party. In 2007, I accepted defeat. If I had also refused to accept the outcome, where would Kenya be today ?
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KKV Jobs: It  is said kazi kwa vijana, pesa kwa wazee. We know who are the thieves of KKV funds and we will go after them.
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The dictators in Kenya are known. How else can they tell Kibaki Raila Tosha ?
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We do not want elections next year. We want the elections to be held on December 17 this year.
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Hakuna kuja tena na kitendawili. Kitendawili hujui – ni kubahatisha tu.
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I have received an apology from your area MP and Tourism Minister Najib Balala who is on official duty in Morocco.
End report.

The news from the ground is the two have fortunately toned down the rhetoric from last week and that is a good thing.

On Ruto’s speech accurately summarized by the blogger:

Much better than the hate speech given last weekend; ICC must have sent them a cease and desist order from engaging in such reckless and dangerous rhetoric.

This is typical political speech very few believe anyway but I give him credit for trying.

I take issue with one thing he said, though, and that is, “You have been accustomed to politics based on lies for so long. But this will now change.”

This is a welcome statement if Ruto is confessing having been the worst of all in peddling lies.

When you say he said, “But there are others who are overjoyed at our plight. These are people who are unused to democratic competition.They do not accept defeat. They should believe in free and fair competition. Let them not look for a short cut called by them Tosha. There must be a competition of ideas at the ballot box,” he is technically not lying but is misleading the public.

He is trying to mislead the public into believing the two, namely, the quest for the presidency and the ICC process are connected; they are not and neither does ICC have anything to do with democratic competition unless he thinks everyone is a fool to believe if he and UK are barred by the constitution to vie, that that is somehow undemocratic.

That’s not true.

It is also patently false the insinuation that Raila can only win reelection by virtue of ICC.

Not true as Raila’s campaign is based on his vision to transform the country, not ICC as Ruto and others would want everyone to believe.

This is a new Kenya with a much better informed electorate that can see through all these shenanigans.
Very happy to note the significant toning down of the rhetoric from the dangerous path these two were on last week.

On Uhuru Kenyatta’s speech equally accurately summarized:

Someone with some wisdom they respect must have definitely given them an earful or either that a one sentence note from ICC Pretrial Chamber would have the same effect.

This is good.

I like the way he danced around the fact they are both charged with being the most responsible for for PEV and explains it “how could we be; we were just two hapless MPs trying to get reelected!”

If only it were that simple.

I wish them the best, though.

If they are guilty, the ICC will tell us, ditto if they are innocent.

On Kalonzo Musyoka:

Your reporting is excellent and checks out word by word. Kudos and thanks again for sharing.

Now, huyu Kalonzo is there any need to even bother commenting on what he says other than to say once a thief, always a thief?

I don’t think so; there are better things to do with the time not so wasted.

Let’s now hope these two have taken good counsel and peacefully engage in politics, if they have to, but certainly not even think about once once again putting our country on a path to yet another PEV.

They have no choice but to stay on our continued course of peace, not violence as the country and, indeed, the world, will not stand by and let them or anyone else.

Never again if peace-loving Kenyans have anything to say about it.

 
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Posted by on February 5, 2012 in Politics

 

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Is Jeff Koinange and K24 Doing The Bidding For Uhuru Kenyatta and Others Bent On “Stopping” Raila From Becoming Kenya’s Next President?

I have had occasion to meet Jeff Koinange on two occasions, first time at the Millennium Hotel in New York back in 2000 during the UN Millennium Summit where the Kenya delegation was staying.

The meeting was brief and not memorable except for one thing. Having recognized him as the CNN International correspondent of Kenyan origin, my colleague and I engaged him at the lobby where most of us had gathered awaiting trooping into the city for whatever people do in the city after long sessions at the UN.

Mr. Koinange basically blew us off, saying he had some big shot he was about to interview I now forget who but it was not Moi who headed the Kenya delegation.

There was no crew anywhere around Koinange and neither did he appear to be getting ready for an interview other than in his mind, which was possible but some minister came by and we could see him clearly engaged in an animated chat with the fellow for some time until the person we were waiting to came and we left.

I never saw Jeff again until late last year at the Norfolk where, interestingly, I had stepped out to take a call at the bench, not then realizing it was “The Bench” utilized by Koinange in his program and surely enough, he came with his crew and, as it were, the person I was meeting with at the patio across knows him and came by to introduce him to yours truly but I told him I know him.

My temptation was to ask him if he remembered blowing us off back in New York but I opted not to simply because that’s not necessary.

However, he also seemed preoccupied much the same way he was back in New York albeit less so this time around.

Anyway, we again had a brief chat and I say all of this to say, even with these brief encounters, one could get the sense Koinange is really not the kind of person who would stab and jab on cue.

He may have the proclivity to kiss up to the powerful and the mighty as most journalists do, but I doubt it is with malice or deliberately reckless.

I have therefore read with interest the following article by Sarah Elderkin, a freelance journalist in Kenya regarding what she and others believe is Koinange and K24’s mission to derail the presidential candidacy of PM Raila Amolo Odinga.

Ms. Elderkin has made a strong analytical and factually correct case why she believes Koinange is doing the bidding for at least Uhuru Kenyatta, if not the rest of the anti-Raila crew, which I agree with completely and no one can plausibly disagree with in any way, anyway.

Ms. Elderkin says something also I think is even more poignant and that is, and I quote her,

“Over the coming year, the conduct of the media is going to play a huge role in influencing how peacefully the next general election will be conducted. There is no room for persistent behaviour by any journalist that is inimical to peace, truth, justice and national unity. Is the Media Council looking? Cohesion and Integration? National Dialogue and Reconciliation? Or do we just let it all hang out like this, with no brakes, and no standards?.”

Whether one agrees with Ms. Elderkin in her analysis and conclusions or not, we must all agree with what she has said as quoted above and be prepared to do our part in soundly rejecting and/or resisting any efforts contrary to this noble call.

The freedom of speech and press we have fought for decades and lives lost over it must be for the good of the general public, not for the benefit of the privileged few with the resources to hog either.

With the advent of the new social media, there is much less of a concern there but the fact is, traditional media still has a choke-hold in information dissemination and therefore sway in public opinion and posturing on any of the issues we must grapple with before the elections and more so the reason they must be called upon to be ethically and professionally responsible, if they are to continue utilizing public airwaves in the manner intended for such transmissions.

It, of course, goes without saying that one cannot eliminate bias or propaganda in the news but a line must be drawn where such threatens peace in the country.

The ongoing but escalating flagrant lying about the ICC in efforts to rev up tribal animosity and hate or incitement is one such example where the media cannot and must not be allowed to be used as a willing or even unwilling participant.

Their very existence as a viable business owes that to the public.

Peace, Unity and Media Responsibility To Ensure Peace

Omwenga

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Posted by on February 4, 2012 in Politics

 

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Kibaki Says He Has No Confidence In Attorney General Githu Muigai To Advice The Government On ICC

President Kibaki at press conference today.

In an unprecedented and unexpected move, President Kibaki announced at a press conference today that he has ordered Prof. Githu Muigai, a man the president basically flipped the public the middle finger and appointed as as his Attorney General, to advise him on how to proceed regarding the ICC ruling.

This is not only an unprecedented and unexpected move, it is basically comical, if it was not about a serious matter.

How can the president order the Attorney General to constitute a team to advise him on a matter any competent lawyer can take about 5 minutes to tell him what the government’s options are and 3 of those minutes will be spent on pleasantries about the weather, traffic or whatever people who meet the president for the first time must awkwardly try to say before having their minute with the president to state their plea, if assuming the lawyer was plucked off the streets on Harambee Avenue and is unknown to the president?

Is there any doubt the first and obvious thing the president must do consistent with the letter and spirit of the constitution, is to ask both Uhuru Kenyatta and Francis Muthaura to immediately step aside, if not altogether tender their resignations?

Beyond that, what other options there are, depend on whether we are talking about the government and for that matter, the people’s interests or the narrow political interests of the president.

As far as the government and therefore the public interest is concerned, the president must pledge his continued, unequivocal and unconditional cooperation with the ICC in all these matters.

The president alluded in his speech that he still clings to the hope that these cases can be brought back to Kenya for trial but, unfortunately, the reasons he cited are just not enough to convince the ICC that the country now has what it takes to pursue justice for the PEV victims as well as bringing closure to this tragic chapter of our history.

The time to have done all of this, is in the past.

That’s is not to say the reforms the president cited have not occurred, they have but not enough to overcome the widespread believe none of the suspects cannot circumvent the system for a desired outcome, and that is a verdict regardless of the facts.

If the president wants to embarrass himself and the country with yet another shuttle diplomacy, let him do so but that would be tantamount to flipping the country the middle finger again but this time with far more serious consequences in as far it would reverse what progress he has made in redeeming his legacy.

The more than 1000 people who died and the thousands who are still displaced due to PEV and equally important our resolve to be a country that respects the rule of law is far more important than protecting the interests of a handful of individuals, who may or may not be guilty as charged.

The fact that these serious charges have now been confirmed, however, means that the least that can be expected of them, is not to hold public office until and unless these matters are addressed to a conclusion.

In other words, even though these individuals’ guilt or innocence has not been adjudicated, the very fact that the charges against them have been confirmed goes to show they are at least not innocent and therefore there is reason to find out why or why not.

That’s what trials do, namely, not necessarily to exonerate the innocent–that usually should occur before the charges are confirmed, but to determine whether or not the charged are guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

A finding of not guilty is not necessarily a finding that one is innocent of the charges leveled against them; it merely means the government could not prove beyond a reasonable doubt that they are innocent.

Other than arguably Kosgey, every one of the Ocampo Six suspects did something that resulted in PEV and the ICC prosecutor charged them as being the most responsible for the violence, displacement and deaths of PEV victims.

The question is, is what they did rise to the level of crimes against humanity and can the ICC prosecutor prove that case beyond reasonable doubt.

It would therefore defy logic and even common sense to say anyone being charged with these serious crimes can be left to hold office pending trial when Deputy Justice Nancy Baraza is literally about to be run out of town for merely pinching someone’s nose, if she did and even if its over the more serious charge of brandishing a gun, it still pales in comparison to the crimes the Ocampo 4 now must face the prosecutor to answer at trial.

It would be hypocrisy of the highest order and an unacceptable major flipping of the middle finger against PEV victims and the country at large for anyone to try and come up with any reason justifying these two individuals, Uhuru and Muthaura, remaining in office pending trial.

There is little doubt the president’s announcing that he is forming a legal team to advise him what to do, is an effort to buy time in the hopes of coming up with another unprecedented and presently unimaginable move to stall or wish away public thirst for an end to impunity or at for at least commitment to seek justice for PEV justice but such efforts is merely stalling the inevitable and that is, Uhuru and Muthaura must step aside or the president will seal his legacy as one who put a blind fold on his eyes and refused to see the tears in the victim’s eyes crying for justice and the anguish of the many others who are still suffering from PEV.

That putting on those blinds is for the benefit of the president’s narrow political interests, is more so the reason he should remove them and do the right thing for no amount of serving personal political interests can ever be greater than at least even an effort to ensure those who died, did not die in vain and those suffering cannot continue suffering even more simply because of serving those narrow political interests.

The right thing for the president to do, is simply to ask Uhur and Muthaura to step aside pending trial and cooperate with ICC to the extent possible.

Peace, Unity and Truth

Omwenga

 
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Posted by on January 23, 2012 in Politics

 

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Uhuru Kenyatta and Francis Muthaura Must Now Resign, UK and Ruto Must Not Be Allowed To Run for President

The ICC Pretrial Chamber must be commended for a well thought out and reasoned decision that, as the court said, has been rendered after careful consideration of the law and facts of these cases along with its implications on the internal stability of our country.

Now that the ICC has spoken, there is no question Uhuru Kenyatta and Francis Muthaura must resign from holding public office because these serious charges against them have been confirmed.

Ruto should not be allowed to run for president either for the same reasons.

Anything less will be in total contravention of Chapter Six of our constitution.

 
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Posted by on January 23, 2012 in Politics

 

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What Uhuru Kenyatta’s Appointment of Njiraini As KRA Commissioner General Tells Us About UK’s Leadership Ability

The Consumer Federation of Kenya (Cofek) has filed a case seeking reverse the appointment of Mr. John Njiraini as the next Commissioner General of the Kenya Revenue Authority (KRA) by on grounds the recruitment process lacked transparency and public participation.

The rush with which the appointment was done and notwithstanding the fact there was and still is a case pending challenging the recruitment process tells us more about Uhuru Kenyatta as minister of finance and his leadership ability than whether Njiraini is qualified to hold the position or not.

No matter what criteria one uses to measure leadership ability, it is clear from UK’s rush to appoint someone to a key Treasury position notwithstanding a pending case challenging the process by which the person was selected, is in bad faith and contemptuous of the legal process and that’s true whether or not the judge hearing the underlying case issued an order or not.

What UK basically did, is try and thumb his nose at the judge, forgetting the judge, or the court, for that matter, will have the final say on this issue.

That’s not only dumb, it clearly evinces either a clinging to old ways of thinking and/or doing things or a tactless manner of dealing with the new dispensation in politics and law or both but neither is anything to write home about in as far as leadership skills go.

Indeed, I would point to this one example and a few recent ones including the “typos” in his budget that cost Kenyans billions as sufficient reason to disqualify UK from being elected president.

There is no doubt a debate must be had regarding what should be done in the next administration to bring balance to appointments in government despite the obviously slanted manner these appointments have been made in favor of one community.

Let’s hope there is nobody who disagrees something must be done to once and for all deal with this vice of nepotistic and tribal appointments.

I say that fully aware we are never, ever going to eradicate the vice, just as much as we are never, ever going to eradicate tribalism and hate but it’s proportionality we are talking about.

Had all the thieves and crooks who have emptied the public till over the last three decades merely taken 1/3 of what they have, they will still be filthy rich but the difference is, the 3/4 or so not stolen would have gone to develop our country as it was intended to for the benefit of all who now suffer because they didn’t but instead chose to eat like the gluttons they are.

Ditto for appointments; yes, pile tribesmen and women to positions if you must but not at the greedy and gluttonous levels we have witnessed in the Kibaki administration.

Have this people no shame or sense of fairness?

Of course, they don’t.

Were UK a smarter politician vying for president, he would not engage in this type of in your face nonsense he is likely to be slapped with an order to start over the process of recruiting a successor to Waweru as KRA Commissioner General consistent with the mandates of the constitution regarding regional and gender balance.

That he has engaged in this shameless but dumb conduct is more so the reason he should not even bother putting his name forth as a presidential candidate.

All this may be moot, if the charges against him are confirmed on Monday but I take it if he is shameless and dumb to thumb his nose on the court as he has here, he would not be fazed with such confirmation of charges and would instead go ahead full-steam seeking a presidency he nonetheless may not be elected to for the legitimate and unrelated reasons he is not the best qualified to be so elected.

I have blogged before that I have met UK in person twice and was impressed on both occasions on how sharp he is contrary to what I had believed before but that’s not to say he is the sharpest knife in the drawer nor does it mean he is so to the exclusion of all others and add to the mix the fact he really has no leadership experience, he falls short of being presidential material.

He cannot even point to his performance at Treasury as an accomplishment other than for his ability to pile his clansmen there in all kinds of positions and that can only garner him votes from those who would vote for him anyway.

The irony of it is, after being soundly rejected as a Moi project, he never learned to curve himself a path to the presidency divorced from the Moi era but instead pretty much remains the same inexperienced wannabe a decade later.

If he were even smarter than figuring his shenanigans with the KRA position is dumb, he would take time off and really chart a new path to the presidency when Kikuyus are once again allowed to vie for the presidency.

I say this knowing and we have seen many progressive Kikuyus themselves who agree we need a break from our brothers and sisters from occupying the State House at least for the next two terms.

Let our friend UK spend the intervening time honing his leadership and political skills and I am sure he would be a favorite when that time comes lest he be given a run for his money from the likes of Peter Kenneth who could floor him even now were the contest about leadership and lack of baggage among and between those from the former Central.

He can start on that path by reversing himself on the KRA appointment and order a new recruitment process before the court orders him to do so.

That will be the politically smart thing to do for it will gain him some credibility.

That’s, of course, assuming the charges against him are not confirmed on Monday and if they are, the wiser and politically smarter thing to do, is to step aside as finance minister and certainly not run for president until the case is over.

If the charges are confirmed against him and he chooses to thumb his nose on the ICC court by remaining put in his portfolio and continue to seek the presidency, Kenyans will tell him no and resoundingly so for this very reason and many others.

 
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Posted by on January 21, 2012 in Politics

 

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What Outcome Kenyans Should Expect Out of the International Criminal Court On PEV Cases

In the article below published by the Standard Online, I share the same views I expressed in my Open Letter to President, Pre-Trial Division, International Criminal Court at the Hague.

In ideal circumstances, ICC judges are called upon to dispassionately apply the law to the facts established by the record before them or those proven at trial.

Unfortunately, however, the cases against the Ocampo Six are not ideal for judges to do this, which means decisions the judges make, including whether to confirm the charges or not or outcome after trial, must be informed from not just the law and facts, but also drawing from other considerations.

The preamble to the Rome Statue under which the ICC operates states in part that “all peoples are united by common bonds, their cultures pieced together in a shared heritage, and concerned that this delicate mosaic may be shattered at any time.”

Justice for victims

What is equally true but not reflected in the preamble, and therefore not an integral part of ICC jurisprudence, is the fact that there are idiosyncratic factors peculiar to any given culture not present in any other and therefore must be taken into consideration in initiating and adjudicating cases before the ICC separate and apart from those that cross all cultures.

Tribalism, a vice and stable feature in Kenya is one such an example.

To be sure, tribalism exists in other countries, including Rwanda where the ICC has, and continues to play its role in seeking justice for the victims of genocide in that country that occurred back in 1994.

However, even though that violence was primarily between two tribes, the Hutus and Tutsis, the level of hatred between the two tribes and underlying reasons for the hatred and ultimately reasons for the genocide is different from the hate or underlying reasons for what happened in Kenya in early 2008 and the reason the Ocampo Six cases are at The Hague.

It is important to understand that distinction for no outcome can be rendered with respect to the Ocampo Six that would be deemed justice or otherwise accepted by all concerned, unless these underlying reasons are taken into consideration.

Rather than going into a detailed exposition to analyse and/or explain these underlying reasons, it is sufficient to say, and there is enough in the record to reach this conclusion, and that is, the dynamics that resulted in the post-election violence in Kenya. There was evidence the elections that took place in Kenya in 2007 were rigged and this created an environment where violence took place not to exact revenge for the perceived wrong-doers in the flawed elections, but to settle old scores primarily between the Kalenjin and Kikuyu.

Those scores, unfortunately, have everything to do with land and not the elections of 2007.

As long as the land issue is not addressed to the satisfaction of these two communities, no outcome other than the non-trial or acquittal of both Uhuru Kenyatta and William Ruto is going to be seen as fair or just in their respective communities.

THE LAND QUESTION

At the same time, the trial and conviction of either and acquittal of the other will be seen as unjust in the eyes of the community of the one convicted and, therefore, foment even more tribal tensions between these two communities and be worsened only by the joining in of the rest of the country’s communities likely to ally with one or the other as a matter of political and tribal necessity.

That especially depends on whether such acquittal or conviction occurs in the heat of the campaign period in the country later on this year.

This is obviously a dilemma that the ICC court must resolve in the national interest of Kenya and, given where things are today, that certainly must be committing the cases to trial, to at least get the story right as to what happened and either convict both of these individuals or acquit both.

STATUS QUO

Not confirming the charges against the two, namely, Uhuru and Ruto, or acquitting both will leave the matter in status quo until the communities themselves successfully tackle the issue with the help of the national government, led by the next president to be elected later this year.

Such an outcome would not change the fact that the very prosecution of these Ocampo Six has forever changed Kenya in that we are unlikely to see anything even remotely close to what happened in 2008 because Kenyans know we are on a path to ending impunity locally and internationally. ICC is there to ensure no one even attempts to engage in crimes against humanity, let alone genocide.

I have previously proposed that a mechanism be put in place to criminally try the same suspects at home for common crimes requiring less rigorous proof as does conviction under the Rome Statute (ICC) but also pass laws to allow for civil trial to hold those charged civilly responsible for their offenses, if proven under the generally less exacting civil code, in the event they are acquitted in their criminal cases for lack of evidence or other reasons, including unwillingness to convict or tempering with the process.

Peace, Unity and Let’s Put PEV Behind US

Omwenga

 
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Posted by on January 9, 2012 in Law, Politics

 

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My Select Comments and Posts In Other Blogs, November 2011

The following are some of my comments and posts elsewhere I am migrating here for archival purposes.  Some of you may have already seen them so disregard accordingly and thanks for your readership.

You have used the maxim “simple minds discuss people, great minds discuss ideas” but I am afraid you don’t know or understand the meaning of that maxim.

When you are discussing the leadership qualities of a person contending for public office, his or her personality is an issue which is appropriate and, indeed, essential to discuss.

When you are engaged in mere debate, the personality of the debater is not an issue and is therefore irrelevant to discuss and those who opt to discuss the personal issues about the debater instead of the issue he or she discusses are the ones with small minds because they are incapable or unwilling to discuss the issues he or she raises.

Sarcastically to a known anti-Railaist claiming that those of us who ardently support Raila will “commit suicide” if he is not elected..

Thanks for your intelligent and indispensable contribution in this debate.

Just so I answer your question, the lives of some of us will always be better than yours regardless of who is president.

That’s a fact and is based entirely on the fact successful and completed people do not talk as you do about others as the way you have here.

To someone saying Raila has no chance in former Central

Brother X,

I have many friends from the area and even recently wrote about a visit to Kandara and other places nearby and met and made new friends from the area. I am happy to say change has already come in the area.

The backward from there or anywhere else in the country will be left behind unless they learn and change.

They, and by that I mean, the permanent but shrinking minority of haters, tribalists and other backward stuck minority, have a choice: join with the rest of Kenya or remain wallowing in that mindset which can only beget more unhappiness and misery.

To a known Raila hater claiming Raila’s supporters are his “worst enemy” and calling us names, including the stupid claim that just because I blog a lot does not mean I am intelligent…

Don’t worry about how Raila who you hate and do not wish to see became our president is marketed; worry about the candidate you wish to become president is marketed, if you have any.

I have repeatedly counseled people like you that the use of filth language such as “asslicking” and other matusi does not advance whatever point you are trying to make except among those who think like you in which case it makes no difference to the rest of us.

I do not blog to prove to you or anyone that I am intelligent.

To someone claiming that none of the current politicians should be elected president…

How many of those married would say they would rather have married their high school sweethearts or other person along the way than the nightmare they are stuck with now but are happy nonetheless?

Are they not better off than being married to their high school sweethearts and others they met along who could be twice the nightmare?

Some of these things you must take and put them in their proper context.

It’s not perfection we are looking for but someone who can take us to the next level and that person is Raila among the current crop of politicians vying for that office.

Again, if an outsider pops out of nowhere and takes the presidency in a fair and transparent election, he or she will make history and I’ll be right up there among those celebrating their victory and doing what I can to make their presidency a success.

To someone regarding debate on issues

We are all individually good judges of what is beneath us and what is not but there is always a consensus on what is beneath us all as a group on one side or other and one must always want to be above fray and that’s where I dwell.

This is what I was trying to say on the other thread you sought clarification and I offer it here because of how you ended your post, namely, declaring this thread discourse is “way below what i believe constitutes issue basd discussions.”

That statement is partially true with respect to some comments that have been made on this thread but overall, you and others have engaged in meaningful, above fray discourse, which is commendable.

I otherwise agree with most of what you have said here with some modification, except when you jab Raila saying, “like dismissing even his closest friends from positions of power when need be” or when you say that somehow Raila is not the person we are describing to be; he is.

To someone regarding reasons I gave in my dropping “Love” from my signature, to “Peace, Unity and Progress (previously Peace, Love and Unity)

I agree that love itself is enough to accomplish all of this but my experience and really part of the reason I have decided to exclude expressly stating “love” is because I have over time come to conclude some people are so full of hate, the very mention of love makes them unease akin to mentioning drug interdiction to an addict: It’s something they know works but don’t want to hear about it.

The better approach is to show them by example and in numbers how love is better than hate and we each can do that in our own ways, including how we reach out to the haters among us.

I personally would like to have a sit-down chat with any of my haters and really try to understand why they hate me and I am 100% certain its them who would find out there is not a single valid reason to hate anyone.

God teaches us to love one another no matter our transgressions.

I am happy to say I hate no one and not even those who hate me for who I am!

To a known Raila hater saying I should read a book than “wasting” time blogging

How and where I spend my time is none of your business so keep the counsel to yourself.

I know some of you hate Raila so much it’s spilling to those of us who support him but some of us are impervious to the hate directed at us and are in fact, driven even more by it to do what we do so that the likes of you don’t have your way in perpetuating hate and division in our beloved country.

Instead of harboring this much hate of others, however, I humbly and as sincerely as I can strongly encourage you to find ways to rid yourself of the hate and join the rest of us in finding solutions to move our country forward and if that includes supporting an opposing candidate, fine, do so with cogent reasons as I do for mine and let the people decide.

It’s never too late to do that but come after 2012 elections, the haters will be a permanently shunned and shrinking minority.

Re Ochuodho post on NVK-M mobilizing diaspora

It will be fascinating to see how people who don’t see eye to eye on at home suddenly become bosom buddies in the Diaspora. My sense is Kenyans on both ends reflect each other for the most part but Diasporans are for the larger part unlikely to buy into the nonsense of old politics of trickery, deceit and other camouflaged KANU tactics at the core of some of these groups masquerading around as agents of change when they, in fact, are not anything even close but are merely in search of power to the extent they can nibble at the ages or more precisely, in search of ways to prevent one man from ascending to the presidency or at least derive some benefit from having tried to do so. Watashindwa.

To someone creating and disposing red herrings instead of acknowledging the truths I blogged about Raila..

Just the other day, a reporter from the show 60 minutes asked former Speaker of the House and now minority leader Nancy Pelosi whether she (and other congressional leaders, including current speaker) benefited from buying stock based on non-public information. The speaker said this was not true but even before she finished explaining, the reporter was on to questions #2 and 3 to which Ms. Pelosi retorted all of those questions would be true if he assumed the premise of his question to be true, which she and Bohner insist is not and there are objective reasons to believe them.

You are doing the same thing here, namely, you are creating red herrings and going on to make good arguments in support of your red herrings except that’s not the issue in Basic Truth No. 10 about Raila; in other words, your arguments are based on a premise that does not exist.

Indeed, you have progressed from red herrings to now a slippery slope type of argument in saying there are more wanjikos, moraas and sangs who have suffered or are suffering more than Raila and this is in addition to your wholly made up premise that has nothing to do with Truth No. 10 and that is, you want to make sure that Raila “does not get in the boat thinking he’s both captain, crew and passenger at the same time”[sic] when he obviously not done such a thing and neither would he given his Truths Nos 5, 9 & 14.

In order to succeed in proving the truthfulness of Truth No. 10, you will have to tell us who among those running for president has physically and psychologically suffered more for the sake of our country than Raila.

Everything else is irrelevant as to this truth.

If you are incapable of seeing the glaring differences in leadership style and core principles between Raila and Kibaki, then I am afraid you’ll have to wait until after he is sworn as president to do so.

To someone–a lawyer–I took to task for his assertion that Raila is a “professed messiah” and in response to someone who echoed my sentiments, he made the preposterous proposition that intellectual dishonesty (which I had accused him of) is a virtue. I called him on this obvious blunder but, rather than admitting the blunder, he tried to defend the proposition and this was my final response to him…

MLF Ochieng-Nyamogo,

I can see you are still digging; can someone reach down and grab the hoe before he digs himself further to no end?

While they are coming to your rescue, I edify.

Yes, a professor must profess of their own sentiments and believes and no I don’t need to consult a dictionary for something that basic we all should have learned in basic English.

In other words, one cannot be a professor of another; you are either a professor of your own sentiments and believes or you are not.

Now, if you consult a dictionary you advise that I do, you will note the following definition of “professor” term you are now introducing in this exchange to save you but it’s sinking you instead:

noun

  1. a teacher of the highest academic rank in a college or university, who has been awarded the title Professor  in a particular branch of learning; a full professor: a professor of Spanish literature.
  2. any teacher who has the rank of professor, associate professor,  or assistant professor.
  3. a teacher.
  4. an instructor in some art or skilled sport: a professor of singing; a professor of boxing.
  5. a person who professes  his or her sentiments, beliefs, etc.

If you now wish to say that you meant that Maurice is a “professor” in the fifth meaning sense, which is very rarely used as such, then you still have a hole to dig yourself out of because I am unaware of any time Maurice “professed” Raila to be a messiah in that sense.

When did he do that? Kindly cut and past here such “profession” if we must now go with your third option meaning and usage of “professed.”

If you do that, I would reluctantly give you that you did not cynically refer to Raila as a “professed” messiah in the sense he himself has done so when we all know he has not.

I doubt Maurice has not done so either but I am waiting for your proof.

BTW, you know what rejoinder awaits that unlikely proof, do you not?

To someone complementing me..

Thanks brother Anyumba,

I like your analogy.

For every trashing out there, there are thousands of sober, reflective and objective minds who see the truth for what it is.

Unfortunately, much as I would love to focus only on where the PM stands on issues, the distractions from the trashing army is simply overwhelming but no one should ever tire telling the truth.

I of course, agree with you completely let the other side post here who they support and why and let the people compare and contrast rather than solely and exclusively ranting and railing everyday how Raila is bad.

No one is that bad except those who they support and are embarrassed or afraid to publicly support them.

I don’t buy the excuse they are undecided or that they are waiting for someone to emerge from the bushes to head our country come 2012.

Our next president is going to be one of the known candidates who have already declared or expressed their interest.

Pick one and tell us why he or she is better than Raila.

Otherwise, accept the reality Raila is the man.

Continuing to tell us how bad he is, is not going to change that.

To those in denial

There are people when it comes to Raila see only evil, hear only evil and would believe anything bad said about him but nothing good said about the man; if you tell them Raila is singly responsible for the drought suffered in Kenya or global warming for that matter, they will believe; if you tell them Raila is the person most credited for ending the Moi regime, they will not believe; if you tell them Raila needs to eat and eats food like all of us; they will not believe; if you tell them Raila is a god, they believe but pretend to ascribe that as being a god to others; if you tell them but for Raila, we would not have the new constitution, they will not believe; if you tell them Raila is responsible for having flat tires to borrow from another netter posting here, they will believe, and so on but you get my drift.

Among these are the Ruto supporters you refer to.

To someone regarding Diaspora voting..

I am against both ideas: No Diaspora Constituency and no fielding of a Diaspora presidential candidate for the following reasons:

First, there is no effective or even practical means of electing the person.

Second, Diaspora needs vary from country to country and region to region and most of them really can only be addressed locally.

Third, any Diaspora person is free to go home and contest for whatever seat they deep fit to contest, including the presidency.

Diaspora need a voice in Parliament, yes but that voice is whoever their MP is.

What Diaspora need to focus more on is having a government that is responsive to the needs of our brothers and sisters at home as well as one that provides incentives for us to invest with confidence in our motherland.

To be continued.

 
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